Fight Breakdown: Who Won Between Thor Vs The Hulk in ‘Ragnarok’?
Thor: Ragnarok had no shortage of awesome scenes, but one of the most memorable was a much-needed rematch to decide the mightiest Avenger. Captured and sold by rogue Asgardian bounty hunter Valkyrie, after finding himself stranded on the planet of Sakaar following a tussle with sister Hela within the Bifröst Bridge, Thor is thrown into an arena to fight for the Grandmaster‘s entertainment. The Marvel Cinematic Universe’s two strongest heroes would have to battle it out — for the second time — as Thor was pitted against the Grandmaster’s prized ‘Champion’. Before, of course, Thor could reconnect with his long-lost ‘friend from work’ Hulk and alter ego Bruce Banner to plan their escape.
Ahead of Avengers: Endgame, the final instalment in what Marvel boss Kevin Feige has labelled the ‘Infinity Saga’, let’s take a close look at one of the MCU’s biggest and baddest matches to date. Here’s a breakdown of how that epic fight went down, blow by mighty blow — concluding with who actually emerged victorious.
Gladiators, Ready!
In the Blue Corner is Thor “Lord of Thunder” Odinson, an Asgardian capable of taking the full energy force of the heart of a dying star — as revealed in Avengers: Infinity War when he assisted Dwarf Eitri in forging new weapon, Stormbreaker. In the Green Corner, meanwhile, we have The Hulk, who famously stopped a Leviathan in its tracks with one punch.
According to Fandom’s Vs Battles community, which is dedicated to quantifying power levels and abilities for the grand purpose of “who would win” arguments, the training Hulk undergoes on Sakaar is significant. While simple-minded, his sessions with Valkyrie are enough to consider post-Sakaar Hulk a different entity entirely — one with no reservations about smashing his one-time friend/colleague, for sure, but also one akin to Dragon Ball’s Goku reaching a new level of Super Saiyan. So, a Hulk that’s even more formidable than before, then.
But it’s Thor’s name in the movie title. Not to be outdone, the God of Thunder has his own transformation to make in Ragnarok.
On paper this is a one-sided fight, as our ‘tale of the tape’ shows:
But if size meant everything, then we wouldn’t be obsessed with the terrifyingly adorable Flerken just introduced into the MCU in Captain Marvel.
Thor is also granted a disproportionate amount of solo screen time, which isn’t insignificant when determining the outcome of this head-to-head. From the moment he enters the arena, there’s a full two minutes and 19 seconds when we’re staring at nothing but sweet, sweet Hemsworth. That’s contrasted with the one minute and one second of CGI Green Guy.
We suspect that’s because it’s quick and easy to communicate Hulk’s usual behaviours: equal parts running and roaring. But also because cinematically, this fight has a purpose — to introduce us to a new Thor.
Thor Vs Hulk: First Few Flurries
As the grand showdown in Ragnarok nears, we don’t yet know who Thor will be fighting. He’s trapped on Sakaar, unable to break free from the Obedience Disk the Grandmaster has implanted in his neck, and forced to fight.
The Hulk, we learn, has been here fighting for two years, quickly ascending to the title of ‘Champion’ and somehow unable to revert back to his Bruce Banner persona.
Thor entered the arena without his beloved hammer Mjölnir, to find a Hulk who’s enjoyed a two-year ramp-up in strength in addition to the bolstering that basking in the glory of his successes in the ring — not to mention private quarters and a hot tub — inevitably bring. The Hulk powers up as time goes on and his anger increases during the fight, and the crowd’s bloodthirsty chants also have an effect on his aggression.
The Hulk speaks only four words in the whole fight: “No Banner, only Hulk.” Thor realises he can’t reason with The Hulk, and nor can he use the “Sun’s going down” trick to calm him that works so well for Black Widow.
Nonetheless, Thor’s numbers hold steady in the early fight as he trades blows with The Hulk, hitting 93% of his strikes. Thor doesn’t miss Mjölnir, as it turns out, and is able to knock down The Hulk with the Sakaarian weapons just as easily.
But over the course of the whole fight, Thor lands just over half as many blows, and gets knocked down more.
The stats are heavily affected by one particular combo from an angered Hulk, who pummels away while Thor daydreams about Odin.
Awakened Thor
It’s late in the game, but the fight changes from this point. Several consecutive punches from The Hulk enable Thor’s “the-power-was-in-you-all-along” moment. Something that Ragnarok had previously foreshadowed, when the Grandmaster noted the “sparkles” coming from his fingers.
While fighting his other wayward sibling, Hela (mythological families are so dysfunctional), Thor was granted a vision from Odin. The Allfather tells his son that his hammer Mjölnir, now broken, was merely a conduit for Thor’s power — not the source.
Post-awakening, Thor lands just two massive electrically charged blows on The Hulk. The first is perhaps the most interesting, because it launches The Hulk around 150 feet in the air.
To do this, Thor would need to be able to generate more than 1.5 million joules of energy with his lightning punch. That’s more than 10,000 times the punching strength of an average human.
This set-up becomes highly relevant when the audience is properly introduced to big bad Thanos in Infinity War, and Thor takes him on, leading the God of Thunder to be vilified by fans for not aiming for the Mad Titan’s head when he strikes his critical blow — something that Thanos taunts him for. Within the Sakaarian arena, all of Thor’s strength and durability still can’t protect him from the Grandmaster’s Obedience Disk.
Those Asgardians might be hard to perish, as Korg says. But they’re oddly easy to stun with electricity — even the ones with electricity powers.
Who Won?
By most standards of fight scoring, The Hulk would have taken this bout in a unanimous decision. That is, if the fight hadn’t ended prematurely due to tampering by the Grandmaster.
It certainly looked as though Thor was gearing up to win this fight.
The Hulk didn’t seem to have an answer to his electric blows, and the Grandmaster’s intervention supports the theory that Thor would have won had the fight continued.
An argument could be made for having more faith in The Hulk. Thor had only scored two electricity-powered blows before the towel was thrown in. That’s hardly giving The Hulk a chance to get angrier and power up further. Given a chance to shake away the stars in his eyes and get furious about what just happened, who knows how strong the Strongest Avenger would get?
When put to the fans, however, there was a clear frontrunner:
Who won the fight?
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In terms of the wider Avengers storyline, the fight served its purpose in introducing the audience to Awakened Thor. Whether he won or not, having the power to knock the Green Guy 100 feet in the air is an indicator of Thor’s true strength, and a precursor to us seeing him strike his potentially fatal blow against Thanos with the Stormbreaker.
In a fair world, the Grandmaster’s interference would make this fight invalid. We don’t always agree with the referee, and if we’re to treat this as a real fight, then it doesn’t matter how great your flow is in the 12th round if you lost the first 11.
But as the audience, we know the score. We saw the foul play. It’s pretty clear that Thor had been building up lightning energy for quite some time without his conduit. And being able to channel it for the first time naturally, he was unstoppable. Narrative-wise, it was clear that this was building towards a Thor victory, and the poll above agrees. So we give this one to Thor.
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The Hulk Is Officially Joining Thor: Ragnarok, Things Are about to Get Weird
Guess who’s joining Thor for the end of his trilogy? I’ll give you a hint: he’s big, he’s green, and he smashes.
The last we saw of the Hulk, he was flying away to parts unknown in Age of Ultron. While he was briefly rumored to be making an appearance in Civil War, later reports indicated that he had been cut out of the script because Marvel had bigger plans for the character’s reappearance.
Well, it looks like we know what those “big plans” are. After rumors circled earlier this week, Deadline has confirmed that Bruce Banner will indeed appear in Thor: Ragnarok next.
I can’t even. How would this pairing work?
Details are still very scant on how exactly the Hulk could factor into a story like Ragnarok (which deals with the Asgardian’s version of the apocalypse). Reports have also emerged that point towards Ragnarok being very cosmic in nature, further muddling how exactly our big green friend will fit into that.
We have heard it described as a “buddy road trip” style movie, but you know, with more superheroes and the end of the world and such.
That sounds pretty awesome, but doesn’t really help us in terms of figuring out how exactly Hulk is going to mesh with an Asgard-centric narrative.
So what else do we actually know about this story?
There are just so many rumors floating about right now (some a lot more credible than others), but here’s what’s actually confirmed confirmed:
- Taika Waititi has been hired to direct. As a director, Waititi has mostly done independent features and TV, making Ragnarok his first big budget project. His last film was a vampire mockumentary called What We Do in the Shadows, that was apparently quite funny.
- It’s currently set for a November 3, 2017 release date, as part of the MCU’s Phase Three.
- And that’s it.
That’s really all we know about it?
Well I guess Thor will be in it? But in terms of confirmed information, that’s pretty much it. Almost everything about Ragnarok is still a mystery at this point.
What about the rumors?
There’s a lot more to chew on in this capacity, but again, they’re just rumors, so take it with an appropriate grainage of salt:
- The current working story is apparently very, very dark (at least in terms of the MCU stuff so far). A big reason Waititi was hired is because Marvel wants him to lighten up the script a bit, especially in regards to the Thor-Hulk dynamic.
- The majority of it won’t take place on Earth or Asgard. Instead, it will bet set on a planet we haven’t seen before.
- That story will apparently feature the Valkyries, alongside the specific superhero named Valkyrie (aka Brunnhilde), who will join Thor and the Hulk’s journey.
- The plotline of Loki usurping Odin’s throne from The Dark World will be addressed and resolved.
What do you guys think? How does a Thor-Hulk buddy road trip work in your mind? Any comic book stories that the idea reminds you of?
All Easter eggs in Thor: Ragnarok
Thor: Ragnarok combines several major storylines from comics at once, so it has a lot of Easter eggs and references, which we will tell you about in this material.
Beware of spoilers! 4 photos On Sakaar, near the arena, there is a tower, which depicts metal busts of several famous comic book characters at once:
- Beta Ray Bill is an alien who proved worthy to lift Thor’s hammer. For this, Odin created another hammer for him — Stormbreaker;
- Ares — god of war, son of Zeus, Avenger;
- Goblin — scientist Ted Sallis tried to reproduce the super-soldier serum, but, having tested it on himself, he turned into a monster and began to live as a hermit;
- Bi-Beast is an android that has two heads (one on top of the other). Each head has its own consciousness and baggage of knowledge. In the comics, he was created as a subspecies of the Superhumans.
They are all past champions of Sakaar — this is confirmed by Kevin Feige. And the last bust still under construction is the Hulk, the Grandmaster’s new champion.
Planet Hulk
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Much of Thor: Ragnarok is based on the Planet Hulk comic book.
He talks about how the Illuminati (Iron Man, Mister Fantastic, Professor X, Black Bolt, Doctor Strange) sent the Hulk into space because he was too dangerous. It was supposed to fly to a harmless planet, but the ship went astray and ended up through a wormhole on Sakaar, a cruel planet ruled by the Red King. The Hulk became a gladiator in the arena of the king, and he was able to escape from there when the best warrior of the arena, which was the Silver Surfer, was released against him.
In «Ragnarok» the plot was changed:
- So, the Hulk did not want to run away from Sakaar — he was quite satisfied with the conditions in which he found himself;
- There is no Red King in the movie, the planet is ruled by the Grandmaster;
- The Hulk plays the role that the Silver Surfer had in the original comic. When Thor gets to Sakaar, he meets a familiar face, but they still have to fight.
Like the Hulk and the Surfer in the comics; - In the comic, the Hulk and other gladiators became part of the Battle Brotherhood, which included, among others, the Kronian Korg (a race of anthropomorphic stone aliens) and Miek. If the image of Korg was visually preserved — only his character was changed, then Miek in the comic was completely different. At first he was a small anthropomorphic beetle, but subsequently created a cocoon and emerged from it as a powerful warrior, who was listened to by other beetles.
Grandmaster
Sakaar is controlled by the Grandmaster. He is a representative of the ruling family that runs the planet, maintaining interest in the main entertainment — the «Championship of Champions».
The Grandmaster is a different character in the comics. This is one of the most ancient representatives of the universe, the brother of the Collector (you saw him in Guardians of the Galaxy), immortal, looking for something new and interesting, because in his long life he has tried everything that is available to him.
The Gradmaster, like the Collector, collects rare artifacts.
It is not known if the MCU Gradmaster has immortality or if he is related to the Collector in any way.
«Championship of Champions»
«Championship of Champions» is originally called «The Contest of Champions» in the movie, referring to the 1982 Marvel comics story of the same name, in which the Grandmaster and Lady Death kidnapped various Earth heroes to force them to fight in the arena.
Surtur
The fiery demon Surtur, the ruler of Muspelheim, is presented in the film exactly with the canon of Scandinavian mythology (there his name is Surt, and he is a fire giant). Up to that important detail that it is he who brings Ragnarok to Asgard, destroying it.
Thor’s secret sister
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In «Ragnarok» we learn that Hela is the first-born of Odin, that is, Thor is her brother, and Loki is her half-brother (he is her father in mythology).
Now, this is a reference to Thor’s secret sister, who actually exists in the comics. And we are talking, of course, about a girl named Angela.
She has a rather complicated story, because Angela originally existed in the Spawn comic (!) and was a Hellspawn hunter. But in 2013, Neil Gaiman returned to work at Marvel, and with him, the rights were transferred to Angela. Marvel carefully introduced her into the Asgardian pantheon, presenting her as the daughter of Odin, who was believed to have died hundreds of years ago, but survived. And, like MCU Hela, she couldn’t return to Asgard because she was kept in the local variation of Paradise.
By the way, she was part of one of the variations of the Guardians of the Galaxy team. Read more about this here .
Hela also resembles a character named Kal Borson, Odin’s brother, who was imprisoned for many years and was able to free himself in the Fear Itself storyline. In the same comic, he broke Captain America’s shield, which vaguely resembles the destruction of Mjolnir in Ragnarok.
Infinity Stones
One of the Infinity Stones makes a cameo in the film — Tesseract. We last saw him in The Avengers, and in the finale, Thor took him to Asgard to be deposited in Odin’s Treasury.
So, there is a scene in the movie where Loki finds this stone while visiting the Treasury. For what this means, you can read here .
By the way, in another episode of the film, Hela visits the Treasury and says that the Infinity Gauntlet presented there is a fake, thus destroying the theory that there are two Infinity Gauntlets in the MCU.
Skurge’s collection
At the beginning of the film, there is a scene in which Skurge boasts of his collection of weapons from various worlds. So, he is armed with two M4s, with which at the end of the film he covers the Asgardians, shooting Hela’s servants. So, this scene almost completely recreates Skurge’s death in the comics (Thor #362, 1985).
By the way, in the comics his nickname is Executioner.
This position is assigned to him by Hela in the film, handing him an ax that resembles Skurge’s signature weapon from the comics.
Triple Cameo
When Thor returns to Asgard, he finds that Loki, in the guise of Odin, is watching a play about the exploits of Loki, who was thought to be dead. So, Loki in this play is played by Matt Damon, Odin is played by Sam Neill, and Thor is played by Luke Hemsworth, the older brother of Liam and Chris Hemsworth.
Trog
In one scene, Loki apologizes for turning Thor into a frog in the past. This is a reference to the Thor #364 comic in which this happened, as well as to a character called Trog.
Throg, aka Puddlegulp, aka Simon Walterson (invented by screenwriter Walter Simonson) is a man who was turned into a frog by a sorceress. He began to live among his own kind in New York’s Central Park, taking the name Puddleglot. But one day he found Thor in the swamp, Loki turned into a frog. Puddlemouth helped Thor by using a splinter that had broken off from Mjolnir.
She endowed him with the powers of Thor, after which Puddleglot took the name «Trog» and remained a hero.
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
In the scene where Thor wakes up after being caught by the Valkyrie, he is chained to a chair and moves through the tunnel, at the end of which he will meet the Grandmaster.
This sequence, in tone, presentation, and colorful fast-changing color presentation, refers to the boat ride scene in the 1971 film Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. And Thor is scared in the same way as the children with their parents in the Mel Stewart film.
«Real Ghouls»
In one of the scenes in the film, Korg helps Thor choose a weapon, and holds a spear with three ends. He says that with such a spear, three vampires can be pierced at once. This is a reference to the film directed by Taika Waititi (he directed Thor: Ragnarok, in case you didn’t know) Real Ghouls or What We Do in the Shadows, the main characters of which are three vampires.
Point Break
When Iron Man and Thor in The Avengers realized that they had a common enemy, Tony Stark called the god of thunder «Goldilocks», a reference to the 1990 film Point Break, in which the character of Patrick Swayze was called the same.
In the episode of Ragnarok, when Thor is trying to turn on the quinjet systems, he uses this word to turn on the computer, and it turns out to be correct. Tony Stark deliberately chose this word to annoy Thor.
South Park
When Thor and Loki arrive in New York looking for Odin, they arrive at a ruined nursing home called Shady Acres. There, Loki left his father, who had forgotten who he really was.
Funny, that’s the name of the South Park nursing home where Randy Marsh’s father lives.
Nursing homes with this name also appeared in the films Ace Ventura with Jim Carrey, Lucky Gilmore with Adam Sandler, and even in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City.
Fenrir
Fenrir in the film differs from his image from Norse mythology.
There he is the brother of Hel (that is, he is the son of Loki), and it is Fenrir who is the one who kills Odin during Ragnarok.
There is nothing like this in the film. Here he is Hela’s pet, who died when Odin expelled his daughter from Asgard. She resurrects him with the Eternal Flame.
The Avengers
There are several references to The Avengers in the film:
- When Thor meets the Hulk in the arena, he calls out to Loki, who is in the Grandmaster’s box, that it is Banner, asking if he remembers him. And Loki immediately says «We must leave this planet», remembering how the Hulk beat him;
- By the way, the Hulk also uses the movement on Thor, hitting him on the floor in the same way as his half-brother once did;
- In one scene, Hela stands in front of a crowd of Asgardians and orders them to kneel, just like Loki ordered people on Earth.
Jane Foster
When Thor and Loki arrive in New York, girls passing by them recognize the god of thunder and ask to take a selfie with him.
Thor agrees, and they mention that they heard about Jane Foster leaving him.
The gap itself was left behind the scenes, as actress Natalie Portman refused to star in the continuation of the franchise.
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Ragnarok has many Age of Ultron references:
- Upon first meeting in the Arena, Thor tells the Hulk everything that has happened to him since their last meeting in Sokovia;
- In the movie, we learn that the Hulk flew to Sakaar on an Avengers Quinjet, falling into one of the wormholes;
- In his quinjet, Thor plays a recording of the Black Widow, in which she says a trigger phrase that turns the Hulk into Bruce Banner. The same conversation ended the movie «Avengers: Age of Ultron»;
- When Bruce wakes up, he remembers the events of Sokovia, mentioning the country and Ultron;
- Thor finds Tony Stark’s clothes for Bruce in a quinjet.
The Incredible Hulk
There is a reference to The Incredible Hulk in Ragnarok.
In that film, there was an episode where Bruce Banner, apparently cured of gamma radiation, jumps out of a helicopter and, hitting the ground, turns into the Hulk.
In the new Thor there is a similar scene where Bruce decides to help and jumps from the ship, but instead of turning into a green giant, he falls flat on the Rainbow Bridge and only then turns into the Hulk.
«He’s adopted»
In the scene where Thor spots Loki on Sakaar, he tells the Grandmaster that it’s his brother, to which the god of deception replies that he’s adopted and technically not Thor’s brother.
This refers to the Avengers ending, where Black Widow tells Thor that Loki killed 80 people, and the god of thunder replies that he is adopted.
Brunnhilde
In Valkyrie’s flashback, another blonde Valkyrie can be seen sacrificing herself by taking Hela’s blow and thus saving her friend. So, that Valkyrie looks very similar to Brunnhilde, the commander of a detachment of female warriors of Asgard.
The nickname «Valkyrie» in the comics is associated with her.
Stan Lee Cameo
Of course, Stan Lee has a cameo in the movie. It was he who shaved Thor, giving him a new fashionable hairstyle.
«The Revengers»
Thor comes up with a name for his team to save Asgard and calls them «The Revengers», which refers, of course, to the Avengers.
In the Marvel comics, there was a team with that name, led by Wonder Man (Simon Williams). And in the MC2 universe, there was a team of superhero kids turned supervillains. She was led by Hope Pym, aka the Red Queen. And another version of the «Avengers»: Revengers from the Cancerverse — a universe where there has never been death.
Xandar
When discussing how to get to Asgard from Sakaar, Valkyrie suggests flying via Xandar. If you remember Guardians of the Galaxy, then this is the planet where the Nova Corps base was located.
Zabiyaka-142
Valkyrie’s callsign on Sakaar is «Scrapper 142».
The Grandmaster calls her «one hundred and forty-two», and in the prequel book they translated it as «Ruffian-142». This is a reference to Valkyrie’s first appearance in The Incredible Hulk #142.
Jack Kirby’s style
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The design of the Grandmaster arena, his servants and many rooms on Sakaar gives off the creativity of the famous comic book artist Jack Kirby, who, together with Stan Lee, created many Marvel characters (Captain America, Hulk, Fantastic Four and others) ). In the photo above, you can see how his style of portraying the Celestials (remember them from Guardians of the Galaxy?) was used to create costumes in the film.
King of Asgard
At the end of the film, Thor loses an eye in a fight with Hela, and then he has to summon Ragnarok — this is the only way to defeat his sister. Thor without an eye is a reference to Thor from the future, in which he became the new ruler of Agard. True, in that version, Thor does not have the hand that Malekith cut off, but in the MCU, he may lose his hand in a fight with someone else.
Carlo
In one of the scenes, Thor witnesses how the Grandmaster cruelly deals with his cousin Carlo. This is a reference to the artist Carlo Pagullan, who drew the Planet Hulk comic.
Bor and Laufey
In the scene where Hela destroys the fresco in the throne room of Asgard, elements of the fresco can be seen. Among them are the etun Lafeuy — the father of Loki — and Bor — the father of Odin.
Gorr
Gorr, aka Godslayer, does not appear in the movie, but there are two notable references to him, both of which are related to Hela:
- She is able to create black daggers and blades of various sizes. This is a reference to Gorr’s artifact — All-Black the Necrosword, which allowed its owner to do this;
- In the film, she literally quotes Gorr, asking Thor «Remind me what god you were?»
Gorr is an alien who has taken possession of a powerful artifact and declared a hunt for various gods in the Marvel Universe.
After meeting him, Thor became doubtful and ultimately became unworthy of Mjolnir. In the comics, he is still unable to lift it.
Donald Blake
In the scenes on Earth, Loki magically disguised them with Thor, and Mjolnir took the form of an umbrella. Moving around the city, the thunder god uses an umbrella as a cane, which refers to the old Thor comics, where he, while on Earth, took the form of Donald Blake, and after hitting the floor with the cane, he again turned into Thor, and the cane into Mjolnir.
Mace of Hercules
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Before entering the arena, Thor chooses his weapon. He takes two swords and a mace that resembles the weapon of another famous Marvel mythological character, Hercules. Visually, they are very similar, differing only in color (Hercules’ mace was made of gold).
Sentient Hulk
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The Hulk’s outfit in his quarters on Sakaar strongly resembles the Hulk’s appearance from the Ultimate Hulk vs.
Ultimate Wolverine, which also featured a sentient version of the green giant.
Topaz
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Grandmaster’s bodyguard Topaz was also in the comics. Only there she was a sorceress and appeared in comics about Doctor Strange.
Asgard on Earth
At the end of the film, Asgard is destroyed, but Thor understands that «Asgard is not a place, but people.» He decides to go to Earth to start all over again.
This refers to the plot in the comics, when after Ragnarok (yes, he was in the comics and also through the fault of Loki), Thor recreates Asgard on Earth in Broxton, Oklahoma.
In the MCU, I think Asgard will be in Norway, because in the beginning of the film, Odin showed the god of thunder an empty and picturesque place exactly there.
The Immigrant Song
Led Zeppelin’s The Immigrant Song can be heard in the Ragnarok trailer.
And this not only once again hints at the general spirit of the film, it is an important Easter egg. Read these lines and you will understand everything:
We come from the land of the ice and snow
From the midnight sun, where the hot springs flow
The hammer of the gods
Weʼll drive our ships to new lands
To fight the horde, and sing and cry
Valhalla, I am coming
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