Okay, so… can i take advante of a SATA 3 SSD with a PS4 Slim?
Reinhardt Schneider
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So i just got a 1 TB SSD for my laptop as an early bday self-present, and used it to replace my current 500 GB SSD, meaning that i found myself with an extra 500 GB SSD laying around.
I have read that PS4 pro uses SATA 3 as its internal storage interface, but the Slim model only uses SATA 2, so i got myself a USB 3.0 enclosure, put the old SSD inside, plugged it in one of the USB ports (The one that is besides the disc reader) and transfered a few games to it (Mostly the heaviest ones i have: Gran Turismo Sport, Dirt Rally 2. 0+Year 1 pass, etc…)
So far, i have tested Dirt Rally 2.0, and while on PC the difference between HDD and Sata 3 SSD is extremely notable, i couldn’t notice any difference on PS4 at all.
I still have to test more games, but after my first test i’m left wondering if it’s really worth it to put a SSD on a non-Pro PS4, even using a USB 3.0 enclosure.
EDIT: Can a mod fix the title for me, please? :/
Vashetti
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The PS4 doesn’t take much advantage of SSD speeds, because the games are developed with 5400rpm HDDs in mind.
Reinhardt Schneider
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Vashetti said:
The PS4 doesn’t take much advantage of SSD speeds, because the games are developed with 5400rpm HDDs in mind.
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Fuck
I guess i’ll get a caddy and replace the DVD drive of my laptop with the old SSD as a secondary drive, then
Lafazar
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There is barely any measurable diffference i.e. in load times or similar. Either the hardware or the software of the PS4 has a bottleneck that makes SSD speeds not matter.
nadbmal
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I have a 1 TB SSD internally in my PS4 Pro and I recommend it. Not a huge difference in load times in games, just a second here or there, but I find the system menu much more responsive and dealing with screenshots/videos is much snappier.
JulianV
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With the one they used in the video it makes quite a difference.
Reinhardt Schneider
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nadbmal said:
I have a 1 TB SSD internally in my PS4 Pro and I recommend it. Not a huge difference in load times in games, just a second here or there, but I find the system menu much more responsive and dealing with screenshots/videos is much snappier.
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JulianV said:
With the one they used in the video it makes quite a difference.
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I have a Slim, though
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Yes, for loading it won’t be at the level of a Pro but there’s improvement, and all small access (save etc. ) are snappier. Save all your saveable stuff on a USB key, buy a 5$ USB3 caddy for the 2.5″ internal drive, grab the
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PS4 firmware, copy it on the SSD on your on.
edit : sorry you already have an enclosure, what I meant is to use the SSD as the internal drive, it’s not worth to use it only externally in this case
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RivalGT
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I’m going to guess and say no. My testing with og PS4 and Pro showed that pro does take advantage of a sata 3 SSD, but not full advantage of it. It also showed that only Pro patched games made use of it, or when in boost mode.
chandoog
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You will see improvements of a couple of seconds here and there, but it will not be life changing like changing to an SSD on a Windows machine or something like that.
Personally, I would say it is worth it if you can get a cheaper SSD as the improvements add up over time and will make your experience better.
zombiejames
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You’ll notice some improvements but not as much as you’re probably looking for. It’s a combination of the PS4 architecture not being designed for it and games not being designed for it.
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Externally there isnt much point. You’ll a bigger difference with the ssd being installed internally
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solidussnaku said:
Externally there isnt much point. You’ll a bigger difference with the ssd being installed internally
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I have USB3 external SSD and it cuts loading times in half for some games.
VG Aficionado
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Even if the advantage is small, the more you use it, the more sense it makes to have it. Just shaving off a couple seconds here and there means you get more gaming out of your free time.
I suppose install times will be greatly reduced in many cases and responsiveness has to be better. Also, there will be some titles that will take advantage of it to a greater extent.
Night Hunter
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I have a launch PS4 which I upgraded with a SSD and honestly, it made a world of difference, even though the OG model and the slim don’t actually have a SATA3 connection afair.
Not every game is Ghost of Tsushima, and especially for games with one long loading screen, it basically cut that in half. Bloodborne was also something where the before and after were miles apart in quality of life. So I full heartedly recommend it, even though you won’t get the same advantages as on a PC.
OgTheEnigma
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It depends on the game. The main benefit is seek time, rather than read/write speed.
It was an absolute gamechanger for me on Black Desert Online. Loading was way faster, npcs and textures loaded in much faster, and there were no longer any invisible walls when travelling around the map.
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Are external drives faster on the ps4 then the internal one when it comes to loading games?
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stryke
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most of the benefit comes from reduced seek times rather than utilising full sata bandwidth
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Vashetti said:
The PS4 doesn’t take much advantage of SSD speeds, because the games are developed with 5400rpm HDDs in mind.
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Lafazar said:
There is barely any measurable diffference i.e. in load times or similar. Either the hardware or the software of the PS4 has a bottleneck that makes SSD speeds not matter.
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Depends on the game. In Division 2, the SSD cut loading roughly in half and resolved all audio and texture related issues I had.
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SATA3 is a difference in bandwidth but the biggest gain to a spinning disk is latency and then the SATA interface does not really matter.
This doesn’t mean that you’ll see big gains in games as that depends how the data is organized on the file system (few big files versus many small files) and whether and how compression is at work meaning that you have a CPU bottleneck rather than an io bottleneck.
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Man, now I’m wondering if I should put my adquired from work 3.84TB SSD on my PS4. I wasn’t going to since it’s a launch unit and it’s SATA2, but now I’m tempted…
ResetEraIsTheBestEra
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It does but depends on the games just don’t expect PC-like levels of improvement. The most important thing is when installed internally, the improvement is overall the whole fucking system.
The whole things load faster, no jankyness if you have lots of games installed, when updating and installing games is so much faster and also system won’t slowdown, if you use the capture button for HQ pics and videos you’ll see the biggest upgrade.
If you have a spare SSD I see no reason why not
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VG Aficionado said:
Even if the advantage is small, the more you use it, the more sense it makes to have it. Just shaving off a couple seconds here and there means you get more gaming out of your free time.
I suppose install times will be greatly reduced in many cases and responsiveness has to be better. Also, there will be some titles that will take advantage of it to a greater extent.
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How much could it possibly add up to nearing the end of a console generation though? Probably get more out of gaming time over the life of the console by taking a day off work and gaming rather than going to work to earn the money to buy the SSD in the first place.
Potato Mage
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Vashetti said:
The PS4 doesn’t take much advantage of SSD speeds, because the games are developed with 5400rpm HDDs in mind.
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Games don’t have to be developed for an SSD, everything still loads faster just like on PC.
I’ve been using an SSD in my PS4 for years and it does make a noticeable difference . In RDR2 it can save you around a minute loading the world, and games like CoD with frequent loading screens the faster loads add up. I’d recommend using one if possible.
edit: nvm im dumb lol, forgot Im using a pro and the original PS4 has Sata II. And I clearly didn’t read the OP. Idk what it will do for that.
n1rvana
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not really worth it. you can put one in but it won’t do much good.
NeoBob688
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PS4 throttles SDD speed like crazy. Having said, I was growing tired of shitty HDDs failing in my PRO so I put in an SSD recently. It does help shave off some loading times for games that take long to load and the UI is more responsive.
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Like everyone else said you won’t see a huge difference but SSDs are cheap and any marginal difference is great. I put one in my ps4 after going through the terrible load times in Pillars of Eternity and every little bit helps. Some games seem to help more than others.
GTVision
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It depends on the game, some have an advantage of just 5% in load times, others 25-40%. If that’s worth it is up to you. Digital Foundry did several videos on this, specifically for the original PS4 and the PS4 Pro if i’m correct.
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JulianV said:
With the one they used in the video it makes quite a difference.
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and that ssd only costs a mere $899.99!
Ive had a 2gb ssd in my PS4 Pro since it released and it actually makes a noticeable difference. Menu is way snappier and load times are much better, although it can depend on the game.
snausages
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My basic understanding is you’d eliminate some of the time the HDD would spend on spinning up platters, ie that purely mechanical operation wouldn’t exist anymore. Not a massive throughput enhancement like you’d get putting SSD into a PC but enough to maybe make some UI things pop up a bit quicker maybe.
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Optimizing the Sony PlayStation 4 Pro for a comfortable game
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Several dozen different consoles have passed through my hands. They noted the convenience, pros and cons. Among all the consoles of the 8th generation, it is the Sony PlayStation 4 Pro that requires the maximum intervention from the outside to correct some design flaws. This is what will be our main task in the story below
Foreword
This is the fourth article about game consoles in which I tried to collect and systematize my knowledge. Extensive experience of use and an inner craving for experiments expanded my horizons, which I share
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The Sony PlayStation 4 Pro has 2 significant disadvantages.
1. bad cooling system
2. slow hard drive.
The first problem results in increased operating noise. The second one is for freezing and loading textures in large open worlds. Both problems are easily fixed with improvised means at home.
Cooling system noise
Just a couple of weeks ago, a young man «from the outback» consulted with me. The main thesis sounded something like this: «In the second revision, the cooling was slightly corrected and it heats up a little more, but it works noticeably quieter. The third revision is as quiet as the second» And everything in these theses is beautiful. And all of them are true. Only there is a big BUT. They refer to new consoles, pulled out of the box only. After 2-3 years of operation, the picture turns upside down. All Sony devices use a turbine cooling system, which becomes very cluttered over time. Noise from standard and comfortable 40-45 dB grows to a terrifying 60-70 dB. The roar of a turbine in a small room becomes uncomfortable. And then it doesn’t matter which revision.
Theory
Theoretically, the console can be disassembled. Change thermal paste. With a brush, go through all the nooks and crannies. Press in the mounting plate. Make everything the best it can be. Instructions on video hosting shaft. There are several caveats. For this procedure, you need to break the warranty seal. If you bought a console for the rest of your life, a good plan. Now there is a change of generations, where the new generation 100% supports the old one. Getting rid of the 8th generation, adding some money and buying a new one is a smart decision. The warranty seal is a strong selling point. Moreover, to disassemble the console and clean it, you need to unscrew more than 50 screws and 15 cables. The process is not for the faint of heart. It can cause difficulty for experienced people.
Practice
In practice, you can remove the top plastic cover and get access to the fan and the dirtiest part of the radiator. Sleight of hand. Confident application of force to correct angles. A light click and we get access to the insides. You need to start from the left corner (the bottom with the connectors looks at you) With two hands, with all fingers we take and pull towards ourselves. After removing one corner, do the same with the second corner. There is a small caveat, not all covers are easily removed. The one in the photo refused and had to make a noticeable effort. There are no screws or glue. Only plastic latches
After removing the cover, we have full access
On my console, you can directly see how the air flows into the cooling system. And it is also clear that not a single crazy hand penetrated into it. The top cover can be taken to the bathroom and washed plastic with soap under the tap.
There is a lot of dust in the console, I recommend laying something or doing it in a specially designated place. After parsing, we blow off all the dust that we see. Next, take a flashlight (in the phone) and shine between the propeller blades. We need to make sure there’s no dust on the grille. In my case, there was a thick mat that interfered with the movement of air. Some recommend taking a can of compressed air and blowing off the dust. Others don’t recommend it.
I don’t have such a tool in my house, so I resorted to an ordinary collective farm. I took a straw for drinks, to stiffen it, I placed ear sticks inside. Stick picker for scraping dust. Long. Thin. Flexible.
I put double-sided tape on the end of the stick so that the dust sticks to the stick, and does not remain inside. Effective and efficient.
In about 20 minutes of leisurely procedures and photography, everything was done. The noise did not turn into a peaceful rustling, but became noticeably quieter. While testing, I found out that without the top cover, it works quieter 🙂
Installing SSD
The vast majority of games for consoles were developed with an eye to work with a 2. 5″ HDD with a rotation speed of 5400 rpm. Therefore, the difference between SSD and HDD was not visible anywhere for a long time. Here it is worth making a reservation. Most games are optimized for consoles Over the past 5 years, many publishers have put a big and thick bolt on optimization. As the brightest and most blatant — Cyberpunk 2077. Such screenshots have spread all over the world. Banal emphasis on disk speed.
To fix these problems, you should install faster drives. As a bonus, sometimes the launch of the games themselves is accelerated, internal teleports between locations, loading of new locations.
To replace the disk, we need:
8 GB flash drive for writing firmware
USB flash drive for saving the profile and transferring console settings
USB cable for connecting the gamepad to the console
Phillips screwdriver for manipulation
New disk
Patience
Instructions from the official Sony website (search for «ps4 hard drive replacement» on Google)
Replacing the disc is an officially authorized procedure and does not deprive the official warranty. I will not say that I am an expert in this matter, I constantly confuse the firmware image of «offline updates» and «offline installation» of the PS4 firmware. Download both files.
Which SSD to choose
Many people think that replacing a disk in a console is expensive and they try to postpone the issue as long as possible. A Chinese 256 GB SSD costs less than $20 today. If there is no money for a large disk, take a small one. Yes! It will fit 1 or 2 large games. Native drive can be connected via USB. For myself, I came to the golden mean — 500GB and no wires. The model does not play a special role. 95% of the time the disk will work in read mode. It’s a matter of complacency rather than real necessity.
PS4 slim upgrade
Not many people know, but the PlayStation 4 Slim has a SATA2 interface with a maximum bandwidth of up to 300 mb/s, which greatly cuts down SSD drives with a bandwidth of up to 530 mb/s. I advise you to install ordinary 2TB HDDs in these consoles . .. A couple of years ago, there were a lot of hard drives for laptops on sale with a speed of 7200 rpm and a read speed of up to 180 MB / s, but now they have disappeared. Those that are, are more expensive than SSD. Ordinary ones at 5400 rpm with a buffer of 128 mb have speeds up to 130-140 mb / s against standard consoles 80-90 mb/s. A regular update will also bring, although not a big, but a pleasant profit. But do not upgrade for the sake of speed, only for the sake of increasing volume.
Adding +90 FPS in games
Over the weekend I bought myself a console marked above. Cleaned it up. I changed the drive to a faster one. It’s time for 30 FPS to add another 90 FPS in games. More or less comfortable 120 FPS, not like boyars have blurred 60 FPS… This is the standard scan of the vast majority of TVs. Have you all heard about the technological and promising DLLS 3.0 from Nvidia ??? Which needs the latest RTX 4000 series? I will tell you a secret. All non-budget TVs have been able to draw intermediate frames and insert them into the image for 10 ++ years. Sub-Field Driving technology appeared back in 2009year and increased the frame rate to 600, drawing in between. Standard Sony technologies for conventional TVs: MotionFlow / Samsung: Motion Rate / LG: TruMotion / Panasonic: Image Motion With a picture resolution of up to 8k, the situation is similar. Top-end TVs are independently capable of upscaling the picture, with a quality where FSR and DLSS weren’t close by. Marketing? Maybe. But the picture on the console improves noticeably.
Afterword
Modern consoles are considered by many as a complete device under the TV. Our smaller brothers with personal computers look at the consoles with disdain. After all, none of them considers that the console can be improved. Much. Adding a faster drive eliminates reloads. Connecting a good TV improves the picture. Progress does not stand still.
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How do I replace the hard drive on my PS4?
Today’s PS4 games are big enough that you can easily fill up your PlayStation 4 hard drive, especially if your version of the console is 500 GB. Luckily, Sony has made the hard drive replacement process very easy, in case you want to replace the hard drive on your console yourself, read on.
A brief summary of what you need to do:
- Backup data to USB in settings, applications retain data management functions, saved data in system memory
- Create bootable USB flash drive for PlayStation OS
- Disable power and disconnect all wires from PS4, then slide the top panel to the left.
- Unscrew the hard drive bay and remove the old hard drive
- Insert a new hard drive and reverse the above steps.
- Installing the OS on the PlayStation
Backing up your data on the PlayStation 4
As with any other hard drive replacement, you must make sure that all of your data is backed up to external media before starting this procedure. Although it is unlikely that you will damage the disk, it is better to protect your information from possible problems. Installed games cannot be saved, but your saved games can. The easiest way to save your data on PS4 is:
- Insert a USB storage device (flash drive, portable hard drive) and go to Settings > Applications saved data management > saved data in system storage, in which you will see an option to save your data to the USB storage.
Creating a boot disk for PS4
After replacing the hard drive, you need to install the PlayStation 4 operating system. To create a bootable image of the operating system, you will need a 1 GB flash drive.
- First of all, we go to the official PlayStation website to download the OS — a link to the site.
- Now create a folder on the USB flash drive called PS4 , and then inside the created one create another one called UPDATE (important, the name of the folder must be written in capital letters).
- Place the operating system image file (the image should be named PS4UPDATE. PUP) in the newly created folder UPDATE
PS4 Hard Drive Replacement
PlayStation 4 only supports 2.5 inch hard drives (9.5mm or thinner) that run on Serial ATA (SATA). Parallel (PATA) is not supported. Therefore, make sure that the drive you purchase meets these standards. Almost all new SATA hard drives comply with these standards.
- To start replacing the drive, first make sure your PS4 is completely turned off, and just in case, disconnect the power cable and other cables connected to the TV, stereo and other peripherals. To access the hard drive, place the front of the console facing you and then slide the left top panel of the chassis to the left until it is removed, don’t worry, this cover is not bolted on.
- Remove the cover and you will see that the hard drive is secured in a small metal container. You need to unscrew one screw in the lower left corner, then carefully remove it.
- You will now see that there are four screws around the edge of the metal case holding the drive in place.